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DarkNecrid · Apr 22, 2008, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by AJD

WoW is definitely designed to keep you playing on almost a malicious level. Denying that is pretty retarded.

So...does...Guild Wars?

If you aren't playing, you're probably bored with the game, and being bored with the game means you probably won't be too interested in GW2. = bad.

This is why they added stuff to grind for...like titles....and super rare crap...

Gregslot · Apr 22, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24

No offense, but zinger its not the most qualified persone and player to say something about anything.
Seriously, look at his previous posts.

Iv red some of what he said and here is the resume: HE doesnt like GW and likes WOW and he created a thread based on his opinion.

AJD · Apr 22, 2008, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

So...does...Guild Wars?

If you aren't playing, you're probably bored with the game, and being bored with the game means you probably won't be too interested in GW2. = bad.

First of all, that does not necessarily follow at all.

By that logic, if I did not like 2001: A Space Odyssey then I would not like Full Metal Jacket or The Shining either. Doesn't make sense now does it?

Also, I am bored now, that is true I still play GW though but it is kind of natural to get bored of a game after 3 years, some of our new members in the guild are WoW transplants that got sick of that game. Does this mean I will find GW 2 boring? I do not see how it would if I enjoyed the first one so much for so long, so what I am really saying here is I am not sure if what you are saying makes any sense.

[edit]Also what Greg said...Zingeri tried to make this same thread over on the other unofficial site but we pretty much all knew he is super biased. 4th post in this thread for example. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10281815

DarkNecrid · Apr 22, 2008, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by AJD

First of all, that does not necessarily follow at all.

By that logic, if I did not like 2001: A Space Odyssey then I would not like Full Metal Jacket or The Shining either. Doesn't make sense now does it?

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because...2001: ASO and Full Metal Jacket and The Shining are all sequels and part of the same series.

o wait.

AJD · Apr 22, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

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because...2001: ASO and Full Metal Jacket and The Shining are all sequels and part of the same series.

o wait.

I guess you failed to notice that I said I still like GW and that even if I am bored now I still had many, many hours of enjoyment from the game, so what makes you think that people who may not play a lot now but got tons of enjoyment out of it will not like the sequel equally?

Even if I used a flawed metaphor you still used flawed logic to prove a point that doesn't exist.

JoeKnowMo · Apr 22, 2008, 10:13 PM // 22:13

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Originally Posted by Gregslot

No offense, but zinger its not the most qualified persone and player to say something about anything.
Seriously, look at his previous posts.

Iv red some of what he said and here is the resume: HE doesnt like GW and likes WOW and he created a thread based on his opinion.

And he likes Guru forums because it is a persistent world but less grindy than WoW.

Zinger314 · Apr 22, 2008, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by Gregslot

No offense, but zinger its not the most qualified persone and player to say something about anything.
Seriously, look at his previous posts.

Iv red some of what he said and here is the resume: HE doesnt like GW and likes WOW and he created a thread based on his opinion.

Yes, I'm certainly more qualified for actually having played WoW, instead of basing my opinions on apparent "omg WOW steals lives!" propaganda, as "qualified" people here like to use as arguments.

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Originally Posted by AJD

[edit]Also what Greg said...Zingeri tried to make this same thread over on the other unofficial site but we pretty much all knew he is super biased. 4th post in this thread for example. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10281815

Erm, that post is based on relative fact, and relatively unbias.

There's also lowbie-drought in WoW too.

I will restate again that I have not played WoW since August 2007, and do not currently have an active account, before anyone cries "fanboi!"

Gregslot · Apr 23, 2008, 12:00 AM // 00:00

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Yes, I'm certainly more qualified for actually having played WoW, instead of basing my opinions on apparent "omg WOW steals lives!" propaganda, as "qualified" people here like to use as arguments.

And who said i NEVER played WoW? (level 56 human paladin Gregory at Dentarg)

Even if i didint, my opinion is more solid than yours just for the simple fact that everyone knows you here for complaining about everything in life. So therefore you showed us that you are uncapable of seeing ANY positive aspect without having to state a negative aspect along with it, giving more emphasis to the bad aspect.
And dont even think about replaying with stuff like "at least im popular" because it will only give a idiotic view of your person.
Anyone that doubts me, including you, can take a quick look at your posts and will surelly agree with me.

Pardon me if i offended you at any moment, but that is also based on relative facts.
And someone has to say it to you. Im sure someone already said it before. If they did, you should start taking into cosideration their words. If not, well, then you are either surrounded by patient and relaxed people or either you have been spoiled too much by your surroundings.

And as a conclusion, even though you tried to separete your own opinion from the "facts", you were unable to do it completly. Therefore you comparison "failed" for weighting to one side more than another while stating the "facts", mixing your opinion with the aspects of the game.
You can very well feel, sense and notice that what i say it is true by looking at your speech and arguments while observing your personality.
Therefore this comparison is nothing but a subjective statement.

Zinger314 · Apr 23, 2008, 12:09 AM // 00:09

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Originally Posted by Gregslot

Even if i didint, my opinion is more solid than yours just for the simple fact that everyone knows you here for complaining about everything in life.

It's ironic. You claim that I have an inflated ego, yet your's is far worse.

Diablo™ · Apr 23, 2008, 12:26 AM // 00:26

Tried both, picked guild wars.

I'm not going to repeats whats already been said, I'm just going to say what I cannot live with in a game. Server separations between friends. I know at least 20 friends that play wow, but no more than 2 people are ever on the same server... because no one can agree on the types of server to play on... pvp, normal, hi-pop, low pop etc. WoW is not a server friendly game, shut downs are often and many in between.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to shy away from wow, it's definitely worth checking out and it is a pretty dynamic world, but just don't expect to run into any of your friends because its most likely they're playing in their own servers and the people on your server are only interested in killing you.

Ctb · Apr 23, 2008, 12:27 AM // 00:27

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By that logic, if I did not like 2001: A Space Odyssey then I would not like Full Metal Jacket or The Shining either. Doesn't make sense now does it?

Your comparison doesn't make sense. If you're going to compare different Kubrick movies, you should compare different ANET games. If you're going to compare sequels like GW2 to GW1, you should compare 2010 to 2001.

Though that comparison probably still isn't apt since 2010 is so insanely different from 2001 in style, substance, and poignancy that they're barely even in the same genre...

In fact, it's somewhat ironic you chose that example since Stanley Kubrick was a man who's tastes and style varied so wildly from one work to the next that upon initial inspection there's no obvious way to say that he did or did not do any particular piece of cinema...

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Even if I used a flawed metaphor you still used flawed logic to prove a point that doesn't exist.

Heh....

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shut downs are often and many in between.

That's not really true any more. In the five total months I've played, I've only seen two downtimes outside of scheduled maintenance periods, and one was a result of the big 2.0 patch. I haven't played for months, however. Not since they hooked me for another month with their lies about the lowered leveling requirements (that one falls under the category of "I don't really believe there's a distinction between things that suck and things that blow...")

I have, however, heard a number of other people say that they also have problems getting together with friends because of the fractured server system. I especially here that out of people who played early on and got stuck on a server outside their timezone during launches (Blizzard totally bungled the server launches and brought up the West Coast first, then moved East, which, of course, meant all the initial subscribers just crammed themselves onto the west coast servers as soon as they went live no matter where they were geographically).

Nevin · Apr 23, 2008, 12:42 AM // 00:42

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

It's ironic. You claim that I have an inflated ego, yet your's is far worse.

Argument & topic aside Zinger, you can't expect to be taken seriously for playing one game and posting on the forum of another about that game. How many times have you told other people- Okay, thats fine and dandy but I don't give a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO, GTFO my internet. Thats what most GW guru members will think when they see your posts. Now I'm not saying you would say something like that to someone else, its just an example to get my point across. After all.. If someone who recently quit GW for Lineage 2 came back and decided to start a bunch of threads, and post about how much more fun L2 is than GW... Well what would you think of that?

I'm not trying to prove you wrong or even talk about the GW vs WoW debate, just simply stating why a topic like this will never be 100% constructive responses.

Fear Me! · Apr 23, 2008, 07:55 AM // 07:55

ugh, bookmarked. will come back to edit this into a reply, very good post, but quite long.

Fril Estelin · Apr 23, 2008, 07:56 AM // 07:56

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Originally Posted by Nevin

I'm not trying to prove you wrong or even talk about the GW vs WoW debate, just simply stating why a topic like this will never be 100% constructive responses.

Stop the personal attacks, it's not only pointless but also against forum rules. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'll say that this thread is very constructive. I personally learned a lot and there are very interesting contributions, but one has to read the thread, not the last posts. So let's definitely stop this side of the discussion here and now, for good.

Deleet · Apr 23, 2008, 02:46 PM // 14:46

Interesting, albeit somewhat biased towards wow. Me and my friend (who has played wow since forever) will do another comparison, hopefully without biased stuff. Since that I'm a somewhat pro-GW person, while he is a somewhat pro-wow person.

Bryant Again · Apr 23, 2008, 04:02 PM // 16:02

Thanks, Fril.

Ctb: What's this "lie" about lowered leveling requirements you mentioned up there?

Xx_Sorin_xX · Apr 23, 2008, 07:35 PM // 19:35

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

I do rather like WoW's dungeons, though. I know Anet tried with Eye of the North, but...it really didn't work, though I can't pinpoint quite why.

Because there was nothing different about them than the rest of the game. All they did was stack 3 different zones on top of each other and then put a boss and a chest at the end. The rest was nothing unique/different than the rest of guild wars, imo.

Darkobra · Apr 23, 2008, 10:14 PM // 22:14

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Originally Posted by Diablo™

Tried both, picked guild wars.

I'm not going to repeats whats already been said, I'm just going to say what I cannot live with in a game. Server separations between friends. I know at least 20 friends that play wow, but no more than 2 people are ever on the same server... because no one can agree on the types of server to play on... pvp, normal, hi-pop, low pop etc. WoW is not a server friendly game, shut downs are often and many in between.

That is why I'm growing increasingly sick of it. Level 60 paladin, forced to do dungeons for my epic mount. I ran into someone who spoke about it. He said the server is so bad for getting a group together, he left it until level 70 and soloed it.

And what do I have to do to go to another server? Either pay for it or reroll on another server which MAY or may NOT be exactly the same.

Of course the game itself isn't too bad. I like the whole exploring the world thing, as opposed to Guild Wars being nothing but instances. Both games have their ups and downs, but I hardly think one can be described as better than the other.